Here are some testimonies from teens to consider. The web link is below.
“‘Christian rock’ music has probably been the biggest hindrance to my spiritual growth. When I first heard this kind of music, it really bothered my spirit. But then this music was brought into my church. The more I heard it, the less it bothered me. The less it bothered me, the more I listened to it.
“It wasn’t long before I was involved in secular rock music because I didn’t see any difference. This music caused me to resist the Lord and hold parts of my life back from Him. I was not able to have a freedom to truly serve Him and be totally dedicated to Him until I was willing to give up this music.”
A Sixteen-Year-Old Student From Florida
“I listened to rock music for about four years and it was not ‘Christian rock’ because I always thought it was so hypocritical to listen to Christian rock. At least I was honest about it and I did not pretend to be somebody I wasn’t.
“So, after the first couple of times I was already addicted to it. The reason I started is because everybody always thought I was, ‘goody-goody.’ They would say, ‘Hey, did you hear that song?’ or ‘Have you ever heard this group?’ I would say, ‘No, I don’t listen to rock.’ “I began by listening to ‘soft rock’ and progressed to heavy metal. It really had a strong effect on my life. Now my church plays ‘Christian rock’ and I see it ruining many kids in our youth group. It is so sad. It has ruined kids that were so sweet.”
A Sixteen-Year-Old Student From Texas
“I was following the Lord wholeheartedly until we switched churches and I was invited to the new youth group. I had a conviction against rock music, but as I was surrounded by it, my beliefs were corrupted. This music eventually led to rebellion and moral failures. The Lord has gained victory in my life now, but the music still brings on rebellion if I listen to it. Please get rid of this music and play melodious, harmonious music!”
A Fifteen-Year-Old Student From Pennsylvania
“‘Christian rock’ had made me a shallow, rebellious young Christian. It made it easy for me to get into regular rock music. When I finally submitted to God and got the rock music out of my life, I was able to see the double standard that is lived out by ‘Christian rock’ musicians.
” ‘Christian rock’ does not praise God and it is worse than regular rock because I think it is hypocritical. Rock is wrong and addictive and has contributed to my moral failure. I praise God for His help in releasing me from it.”
An Eighteen-Year-Old Student From Indiana
“About four years ago, a local Christian radio station began broadcasting ‘rock’ of the ‘Christian variety.’ At first, I accepted only the light stuff. Within months, I found myself listening to heavier and heavier stuff. I thank God that my parents and I came to an agreement on the music I will listen to. I can see how it has affected the lives of some who at one time were my closest friends. I still enjoy easy classical music, but they are into heavy worldly rock and the lifestyle that goes with it. Just a few weeks ago, God convicted me of what I once considered super-soft, contemporary music. I threw the tape away and thank God for the conviction that brought me to do it.”
A Twenty-Year-Old Student From Kansas
“I began to listen to ‘Christian rock’ without the blessing of my father. He told me that if I listened to ‘Christian rock’ it would open the door for Satan. I just laughed, and listened anyway. It totally deadened my Christian growth and led to terrible immorality, rebellion, and rejection of God. It then developed into secular, hard rock. Now all I can do is go back and pick up the pieces. But I still have a scar in my life that will never be removed.”
A Sixteen-Year-Old Student From Oklahoma
There are many more such testimonies: http://www.av1611.org/crock/crockids.html
“But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” (Matthew 18:6)
Condensed and edited:
Christian Rockers and Secular Rockers United
The following examples could be multiplied endlessly:
AUDIO ADRENALINE’S Bloom album includes the song “Free Ride” from the Edgar Winter Group’s They Only Come out at Night album. Rock star Edgar Winter was featured on the cover of this wicked album dressed as a homosexual “drag queen.” The lyrics to “Free Ride” claim that “all of the answers come from within.” This is rank heresy, because we know that the answers do not come from within man’s fallen heart, but from God’s revelation in the Bible.
FOURTH WATCH cites groups like U2, the Police, Genesis, Pete Townshend, and the Alarm as major influences. “MEMBERS LISTEN TO A GREAT DEAL OF MAINSTREAM MUSIC, MAKING NO APOLOGIES FOR IT, and they express a desire to play clubs and other non-church settings” (CCM Magazine, April 1987, p. 19).
RANDY STONEHILL “listens to all kinds of music,” including hard secular rock (Devlin Donaldson, “Rockin’ Randy,” CCM Magazine, August 1983).
PHIL KEAGGY performs an unholy combination of secular rock and Christian rock/folk, and those who listen to his music are drawn toward worldly rock & roll. On his 1993 Crimson and Blue album, for example, he pays “homage to the Beatles” by covering several of their songs.
When ASHLEY CLEVELAND was asked what music was on her stereo, she replied, “Living With Ghosts, Patty Griffin; What’s The Story Morning Glory, Oasis; Exile On Main Street, the Rolling Stones” (http://www.ashleycleveland.com/acfacts.htm). In her concerts, Ashley performs a very gritty rendition of the Rolling Stones hit “Gimme Shelter.”
CAEDMON’S CALL said their greatest love in music is secular rock. They mentioned Indigo Girls, Shawn Colvin, David Wilcox, The Police, Fishbone, 10,000 Maniacs (Lighthouse Electronic Magazine). The group often performs Beatles music. Cliff Young said one of his favorites is the foul-mouthed Alanis Morrisette. He mocked a preacher who warns that Christian musicians should not listen to secular rock and said that he listens to secular rock & rollers because “they are being honest [about] struggles that they go through.”
STEVE CAMP says, “I’ll have a Foreigner 4 album going in my car.” He also says: “I am dedicated to good music whether it’s pop, Christian, gospel, R&B, blues, jazz,
classical, rock or whatever. I just love good music” (Steve Camp, MusicLine magazine, Feb. 1986, p. 22).
JARS OF CLAY names Jimi Hendrix and the Beatles as their inspiration (Dann Denny, “Christian Rock,” Sunday Herald Times, Bloomington, Ind., Feb. 8, 1998). The lead guitarist for Jars of Clay is said to be a “Beatles fanatic” (Christian News, Dec. 8, 1997). When asked by Christianity Today to list their musical influences, Jars of Clay members “listed no Christian artists” (Christianity Today, Nov. 15, 1999). Jars of Clay performs Ozzy Osbourne’s “Crazy Train” during their concerts. Osbourne is the filthy-mouthed former lead singer for the occultic rock group Black Sabbath.
Dana Key (of DEGARMO & KEY) says that he has been influenced most by B.B. King, Jimi Hendrix, and Billy Gibbons (of ZZ Top) (CCM Magazine, January 1989, p. 30).
POINT OF GRACE, on their Life, Love and Other Mysteries album, recorded “Sing a Song” by the occultic, antichrist rock group Earth, Wind and Fire.
The worldliness of DELIRIOUS is evident in their choice of “musical heroes,” which include “Radiohead, Blur and other big British modern rockers” (CCM magazine, July 1999, p. 39).
The group DELIVERANCE performs songs by secular rock groups. Their What a Joke album has the song “After Forever” by the vile, blasphemous, pagan rock group Black Sabbath.
When asked what is currently in her CD player, CRYSTAL LEWIS replied: “Michael Jackson, Thriller; Billy Holliday; Led Zeppelin; Radiohead, Ok Computer; Radiohead, Kid A; and Sting, Nothing Like the Sun (“Ten Questions with Chrystal Lewis,” CCM Magazine, March 2002).
The popular group THIRD DAY also loves secular rock. Michael Herman of Christianity Today asked the members of Third Day to “name a musician you’d pay to see in concert.” All five members of the band named secular rockers. Tai named U2; Brad, the Cars; David, Phil Collins; Mac, Tom Petty; and Mark, George Harrison (“Guy Talk” interview posted at Christianity Today web site, Feb. 26, 2002). Anyone familiar with the music and atmosphere at secular rock concerts should know that a Bible believer has no business there. “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them” (Eph. 5:11).
In the video for the Rock & Worship Roadshow Tour (2011), MERCYME covers the Beatles song “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da.”
Why is it that contemporary Christian musicians can be so comfortable with secular rock? I believe it is because so many CCM artists worship a false god.
“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
Rock music is clearly characterized by “the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eyes, and the pride of life.” A better definition has never been written.
James warned that it is spiritual adultery to love the world and God, too.
“Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God” (James 4:4).
One reason why contemporary Christian music lovers do not separate from rock & roll is that they worship the same god as secular rockers.
It is the god that is experienced through sensual passions.
As we have seen, rock & rollers can be religiously passionate about their music and they often speak of it in terms of a spiritual experience.
The Doors wanted their audience “to undergo a religious experience.”
Bob Marley’s concerns were “like church … a spiritual high.”
Grateful Dead concerts are “a place to worship” and “bear uncanny resemblance to religious festivals.”
Muddy Waters said that “blues was his religion.”
Judas Priest said that rock music isn’t just music; it’s “a philosophy and a way of life.”
Michael Jackson said, “When I am dancing, I have felt touched by something sacred.”
George Harrison said, “Music is very involved with the spiritual.”
Brian Eno described his discovery of rock & roll as “a spiritual experience.”
Obviously, these rockers are not talking about having communion with the God of the Bible. They worship a different god. He is non-judgmental, sensual, even sexual, and puts no obligations on people, letting them “follow their hearts.”
This is exactly the god worshiped by many CCM artists.
The false CCM non-judgmental, universalistic god is represented by emerging church leaders such as Brian McLaren and Rob Bell, both of whom are very popular with CCM artists. One Christian rocker told us that these writings “resonate” with him.
The “old-fashioned” Bible believer says with the writer of Hebrews, “Our God is a consuming fire” (Hebrews 12:29). The emerging church says, “Our God is not a consuming fire.”
Rocking Rob Bell believes God is more akin to New Age panentheism than the God of the Bible. He describes God as “a force, an energy, a being calling out to us in many languages, using a variety of methods and events” (Love Wins, location 1710-1724).
“There is an energy in the world, a spark, an electricity that everything is plugged into. The Greeks called it zoe, the mystics call it ‘Spirit,’ and Obi-Wan called it ‘the Force’” (Love Wins, location 1749-1762).
Many of the CCM artists worship A REBEL CHRIST, which is certainly a false christ. Mark Stuart of Audio Adrenaline says, “Jesus Christ is the biggest rebel to ever walk the face of the earth” (Pensacola News Journal, Pensacola, Fla., March 1, 1998, pp. 1, 6E). Sonny of P.O.D. says, “We believe that Jesus was the first rebel; the first punk rocker” (http://www.shoutweb.com/interviews/pod0700.phtml). This is absolute blasphemy. The Bible says rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft (1 Sam. 15:23). A rebel is a lawbreaker, but Christ was the lawgiver who He came to earth to fulfill the requirements of His own law (Mat. 5:17-19). Christ was not crucified for rebellion; He was crucified for testifying that He is God (John 10:33).
Many of the CCM artists worship A ROCK & ROLL PARTY CHRIST. In his Live … Radically Saved video Carman says, “Jesus is always cool; He’s got his thing together.” In Resurrection Rap Carman portrays Jesus as a street hippie; in The Standard he calls Jesus “J.C.”; and in Addicted to Jesus he speaks of “Jammin’ with the Lamb.” Petra claims that “God gave rock and roll to you/ Put it in the soul of every one.” In “Party in Heaven” the Daniel Band sang, “The Lamb and I are drinkin’ new wine.” Phil Driscoll says, “God is the King of Soul; He’s the King of all rhythm” (quoted by Tim Fisher, Battle for Christian Music, p. 82). Messiah Prophet Band says, “Jesus is the Master of Metal,” and Barren Cross says, “Better than pot, Jesus rocks.” John Fischer described God as puffing on a cigar and swaying to rock music (CCM Magazine, July 1984, p. 20), while J. Lee Grady says Jesus enjoys dancing with the angels and “grooving to the sound of Christian R&B pumped out of a boom box” (Charisma, July 2000).
The fact that the CCM crowd typically worships a different kind of god than the “old-fashioned” Biblicist, is why they are perfectly comfortable using music that has been identified as “sexy” by the secular world.
“… that is what rock is all about–sex with a 100-megaton bomb, the beat” (Gene Simmons of KISS, Entertainment Tonight, ABC, Dec. 10, 1987).
Note that Simmons was not referring to the words of rock music; he was referring to the music itself and particularly to its backbeat rhythm.
Music researchers Daniel and Bernadette Skubik, in their study on the neurophysiology of rock music, warned:
“Whether the words are evil, innocuous, or based in Holy Scripture, the overall neurophysiological effects generated by rock music remain the same. There is simply no such thing as Christian rock that is substantively different in its impact” (“The Neurophysiology of Rock,” an Appendix to Ken Blanchard’s Pop Goes the Gospel, pp. 187ff).
The reason this statement doesn’t bother a CCM defender is because he sees Jesus as a non-judgmental rock & roll party Dude who loves a good time.
“Those who envision God as a special friend, a kind of lover, with whom they can have fun, see no problem in worshipping him by means of physically stimulating music. On the other hand, those who perceive God as a majestic, holy, and almighty Being to be approached with awe and reverence will only use the music that elevates them spiritually” (Samuele Bacchiocchi, The Christian and Rock Music).
The above CCM facts were emailed from Fundamental Baptist Information Service
This all reveals the satanic church in all its glory. I mean Bible churches of today who call themselves Christian; yet, approve of so-called Christian contemporary groups and singers that adore satan worshipping rockers that hate the holy and undefiled LORD Jesus Christ; Hebrews 7:26.
History of Rock and Roll
The phrase “Rock and Roll” was first used back in 1951 by Cleveland music disc jockey Allan Freed to as a description relating to the sound of teenagers committing fornication (premarital sex), such as in the back seat of a car while listening to such rock music. “Rock and Roll Music” is therefore by definition a synonym for “Fornication Music”, since that is where the term arose. “Christian Rock Music”, (also known as “Contemporary Christian Music”), therefore literally means “Christian Fornication Music.”
The Bible says, “But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;” (Ephesians 5:3). All Christians are to “Flee fornication.” (1 Corinthians 6:18a)
Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) is mostly wicked in intent. It is formatted to get the young and old acclimated to the world’s sexy beat. CCM mainly consists of the “Rock And Roll” beat. Contemporary means worldly or of today’s society. The only reason you have Christian rock music is because satan has rock music. If satan and his followers had not invented sexy rock music, there would be no Christian rock.
Condensed Information from Way of Life:
PELVIC THRUSTS AT SADDLEBACK WORSHIP CONCERT:
The following statement from the Extreme Theology website for December 9, 2006, describes a video on YouTube of a Saddleback “Worship” Concert that featured vulgar “pelvic thrust” rock moves.
“This is a video of a Saddleback Worship Concert. There are teenage girls doing dance moves that include Pelvic Thrusts. Is this really worship to the one true God of the Bible or is this worship to one of those pagan sex gods? You be the judge?.
“Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire’ (Matthew 7:17-19).”
Unfortunately, there are several posted immodest and vile videos of Saddleback dances, including swing dance footage. No man should be allowed to view them!
Most so-called Christians thrive on secular and Christian rock and no one had better say a word against it either, or they are ridiculed in the church. They can also be formally church disciplined for judging this beat of fornication.
This all reveals the satanic church in all its glory. I mean Bible churches of today who call themselves Christian; yet, approve of so-called Christian contemporary groups and singers that adore satan worshipping rockers that hate the holy and undefiled LORD Jesus Christ; Hebrews 7:26.
How can anyone be a Christian and love satan’s world of vile indecency and Biblical blasphemy presented in song and the rock beat? Rockers present a false jesus who loves satan and his every unchaste way. This is one reason many women in churches today have no problem showing cleavage and upper leg. They dress to please satan, their sensual god who loves to rock out in all sexiness.
Sex, drugs, rebellion, and demonism are all symbolic of fornication music. This is why churches are tolerant of most anything today, except those who desire to be separated from the world—culture and society.
If you are interesting in knowing about God who loves you, please click here: Paradise (1 John 5:10-13—the Bible)
Emerging/emergent spirituality is making frightening strides in Christianity today. Whether it is emergent or emerging it means one with the world culture. Churches and Christian colleges, who may not fully understand the subtle undermining of this spirituality from the world, the flesh and the devil, are endorsing and promoting it. An event (Movement 2009) took place on May 29th at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa (the Calvary Chapel mother church) with Rock Harbor pastor, Mike Erre.
The “kingdom of God” wicked theology that Erre presents is deadly broad. Erre states that there has been too much emphasis within Christianity on individual salvation and nothing on corporate salvation (i.e.., all of the world and creation being saved). He believes God is saving “all of creation” ( as seen on page 100 in his book Death by Church). Erre exalts uncertainty and doubt (always searching, never finding). He states: “Jesus brings mystery, paradox, and tension—rarely did someone get a straight answer out of Him” (p. 36). This sounds like New Perspective mendacious theology that is in Bible churches today. I have heard it. This teaching is totally counterfeit. It is a demonic lie from the pit of hell. God is not a God of confusion and the Biblical Christ must always be followed without question. He is the Word of God and His robe is dipped in blood; Revelation 19:13. Jesus Christ must always be uplifted in an all-holy manner, not analyzed as one would an insane neighbor who does not know what he is talking about. It is blasphemy to scrutinize Jesus Christ in a questioning manner. He is the Creator of the universe and its sustainer. Every knee will someday bow before Him!
“Erre’s kingdom theology is expressed throughout his book, “Death by Church. On page 132, he states that the gospel is “something bigger” than the “story of Jesus’ dying for the private sins of individuals…. it is the story of God’s kingdom being launched, on earth as in heaven, generating a new state of affairs. Atonement, redemption, and salvation are what happen on the way.” This emerging spirituality that does not see atonement, redemption, and salvation as a moment in history when Jesus Christ died on the Cross but rather an ongoing process that is continually growing, expanding, changing (see our review of An Emergent Manifesto of Hope). Erre states that “the end of the age does not result in the destruction of the earth but rather in its renewal.” Errie states: “Rather that waiting for the last days, we have been living in them since the coming of Jesus. Rather than waiting for the end to come, we are already living in the end times that will be consummated when Jesus returns” (p. 198). And, “The end of the age does not result in the destruction of the earth but rather in its renewal” (p. 212).”
“Erre sounds very much like a New Age Episcopalian priest (like N. T. Wright and others), and when he says ‘deep theology’ he actually means ‘deep ecumenism’ (‘deep’ meaning all-inclusive). Erre spouts that all of creation is being restored and saved. This runs redundantly throughout his book.”
Of course, true born again believers know that the road to heaven is narrow and few follow it. One can only be saved by being born again through the precious shed blood of Christ that cleanses from sin. The Bible is inerrant and it must be the only teaching of the church, never the doctrines and precepts of men. Sinful man always desires to become a god unto himself, according to what he thinks, has experienced or others have.
What true church that is commanded to be separated from the world, would meet in a nightclub as Rock Harbor did in its past? What church that believes the Bible is true and that women are to dress in bashfulness towards men as commanded, would put a cross next to a painting of a topless woman?
“COSTA MESA – It’s Palm Sunday at the Shark Club nightclub in Costa Mesa. Bibles lay on the ornate pool tables. Tattooed twenty-something are text-messaging furiously before the service. They sit on red velvet lounge chairs or bar stools under gleaming silver disco balls.
But the only thing on tap here is the grape juice for Communion.
A black curtain is draped over the bar, hiding the Bacardi, vodka and beer. A cross is propped next to a covered painting of a topless woman.”
“…They really know how to bring Christian relevance to our everyday atmosphere. It doesn’t feel that big to me,” said the marketing director of Fly by Night, a Huntington Beach disc jockey company.
“Here we are having church in a bar,” he said. “We’re not living in a Christian bubble. I came here once and was hooked ever since.”
(from an article by reporter—VALERIA GODINES)
From Rock Harbor’s websites:
“art as a bridge
art holds a significant place in our culture. movies, video, theatre, dance, and visual art are esteemed, explored and most importantly – understood in all areas of our society. we desire to use this common medium to communicate truth.”
http://www.rockharborswings.com/ At this link, you can view Rock Harbor’s advertisement for their swing dances, promoted as a chance to get to know others. They invite the unsaved to partake as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBRgOz8kYDo This sad, worldly video, reveals the truth of what I am stating. I do not recommend that men view this. If they desire to know what is taking place, I would ask for a wife or sister to watch. This clip is of a Rock Harbor dance team performing at Rick Warren’s church (Saddleback) that is homosexual affirming. This video shows girls, girls, girls and men love to see them dance this way! Christian men are called to view women in all chaste purity and anyone in their right mind recognizes this is not what this promotes. (1 Timothy 5:2) No church has a right to claim to be part of the body of Christ that engages in such lewdness.
In this newsletter (link above), they state “all styles of dance represented and welcomed!” Yes, there is an exclamation point. They also promote a performance called “Funny Bone.” They advertise it as being “hilarious and funny.” Where are our churches going? They are certainly apostate in every sense of the word.
Where in the Bible are we commanded to imitate culture? We are to hate this world and its productions, not mimic it for a trendy cultural look so the unsaved never witness the holy separated sacrifice. True believers are hated by society’s culture because they expose its sinful alluring agendas that spell “fun” for all. World = culture is a true equation.
John Calvin is also revered today in countless churches. He believed the human race would bruise satan on the head, not Jesus Christ when He conquered death through His tree of suffering and shame. …“we must necessarily come to one head, that we may find to whom the victory belongs … Wherefore, the sense will be (in my judgment) that the human race, which Satan was endeavouring to oppress, would at length be victorious.” Uplifting the sinful, vile human race is nothing new and uplifting false theologians who do so is nothing new.
When one truth of Scripture is thrown out the window, it opens all the windows for an invasion of lies. The Bible must be taught verse by verse, chapter by chapter with no compromise and with the listener’s ears wide open in this day and age of church apostasy. Scripture must be compared with Scripture in order for one not to be deceived. Man-made contrived interpretations must be confronted.
The church today wants to be worldly conforming, not separated from the world teachings, methodologies and terminologies. Most pastors do not want to stand on street corners preaching the Word of salvation or going door to door to reach the lost. They attempt to make the church look like the world and sound like the world so it is pleasing to all for numbers sake. They want mega churches and they want them their way without having to go out as the apostles and prophets exampled for all, for all ages. They were willing to die for the Gospel and did not seek to be viewed as cool, trendy and technology-wise.
The church is called the church because it is made up of believing Christians who abide in the truths of the Word of God (1 Corinthians 5:11 and 6:9-11). The church is to go out and save and then bring them in. I do not say true searching ones cannot be allowed in. Nevertheless, the church means the church of Jesus Christ, its Savior.
The church must shun Satan’s entertaining ways of allurement and return to the Biblical examples of reaching the lost. The church in general looks silly-stupid as it attempts to appear styling—holding to a rock-out mentality that uplifts Hollywood productions and present its own rock stars. And the apostate church craves Hollywood-like Gospel productions—the best in presentation.
It desires its own programs to be set before people like sitcoms. Very sick indeed! The contemporary mindset set forth is a lie from the pit of hell. Yet, contemporary-ism rules most churches.
I believe the church in general is walking the apostasy road because it craves the entertainers of the world and uplifts them as gods. Church attendees do not want to believe these live people-gods are of Satan and their idol entertainers are going to hell unless they repent of their ways. It is becoming more easy for church goers to believe everyone is going to reach heaven. The false teachers are tickling the ears of their make believe world. Christians no longer want to dwell on those things that are true, they relish the novel mentality.
The apostasy is becoming more grave as each day passes. May the church revive and come out from amongst them and be separate.
(some information accumulated and quoted)
This question was posed to me regarding “False Doctrine Beware.”
I must state first, in regards to Genesis 3:15, we are not dealing with an “it” as if in reference to the human race. “Heel” is in the masculine form. We also know from Romans 5:14-21, 1 Corinthians 15:21-25, etc. that this is a reference to Christ’s work. It was God’s prophecy concerning the Messiah. Calvin deliberately lied regarding God’s Word. The NASB states, “He (meaning the seed of God and man) shall bruise you (the serpent) on the head and you shall bruise Him (Jesus Christ) on the heel.” Satan knew exactly what this prophecy meant and that is why he wanted to murder Christ at His birth—Revelation 12:1-4)
“Where did you get the quote from John Calvin? The quotation says to me that those who come to the Head (Jesus Christ) will be victorious through what Jesus did on the cross for us. The victory belongs to us through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Here was my answer:
I trust you are being blessed today. Concerning Calvin, you can see his entire commentary on the bruising of Christ below.
It must be recognized Calvin, like false teachers today, spoke always out of both sides of his mouth. If you look at his commentary, you see that he speaks both ways. The “human race” is not the church though he tries to sound pious by ending his commentary, by slyly making it sound like the church. He talks like one from the Episcopalian church and the Episcopalian church loves Calvin. You must grasp the fact the “human race” is not the church as Calvin tries to infer. Only a very small fraction of the human race is saved and it consists of the “called out ones” from the human race. The Bible never refers to the church as the “human race.” The human race moves according to Satan’s influence. It will not destroy its own false god, Satan. Only Jesus Christ has that authority. Satan is still loose and roaming the earth.
The Seed is Christ, not the future generations that came from Eve, as explained by Calvin. Satan was not bound by the human race through future generations. The human race will never be victorious. The human race in general is bound for hell. Only the church is saved.
Calvin is wrong, the bruising did take place by one man only—Jesus Christ. When Paul refers to bruising in Romans 16:20 (see Calvin’s statements below), he is not referring to when Christ bruised Satan on the cross. We know Genesis 3:15 refers to the cross as it states to Satan, “you shall bruise Him on the heel.” Satan was not victorious in his attempt to destroy God on the cross.
And you must see, even from the Romans verse, that it states the LORD who will bruise Satan under the feet of the saints. We exalt only in Christ’s power not our own. We can do nothing apart from Him. What God is referring to in this verse in Romans is the fact Christ will usher in His kingdom following the tribulation (and will rule from Israel (Revelation 19:11-chapter 20). The bruising of Satan is not imparted to faithful men as Calvin states. It is through God and God alone. We cannot read into Scripture what is not there as Calvin consistently does.
Calvin lies and says the church has replaced Israel in his commentaries. He also stated that Christ did not die for all men. God is not a God of confusion, but Calvin is and so are his followers. Satan is the one whose doctrine never makes sense.
I hope you understand and see the truth.
Val (Colossians 1:9-14)
Calvin Commentary Genesis 3:15:
It shall bruise. 45 This passage affords too clear a proof of the great ignorance, dullness, and carelessness, which have prevailed among all the learned men of the Papacy. The feminine gender has crept in instead of the masculine or neuter. There has been none among them who would consult the Hebrew or Greek codices, or who would even compare the Latin copies with each other. 46 Therefore, by a common error, this most corrupt reading has been received. Then, a profane exposition of it has been invented, by applying to the mother of Christ what is said concerning her seed.
There is, indeed no ambiguity in the words here used by Moses; but I do not agree with others respecting their meaning; for other interpreters take the seed for Christ, without controversy; as if it were said, that some one would arise from the seed of the woman who should wound the serpent’s head. Gladly would I give my suffrage in support of their opinion, but that I regard the word seed as too violently distorted by them; for who will concede that a collective noun is to be understood of one man only? Further, as the perpetuity of the contest is noted, so victory is promised to the human race through a continual succession of ages. I explain, therefore, the seed to mean the posterity of the woman generally. But since experience teaches that not all the sons of Adam by far, arise as conquerors of the devil, we must necessarily come to one head, that we may find to whom the victory belongs. So Paul, from the seed of Abraham, leads us to Christ; because many were degenerate sons, and a considerable part adulterous, through infidelity; whence it follows that the unity of the body flows from the head. Wherefore, the sense will be (in my judgment) that the human race, which Satan was endeavoring to oppress, would at length be victorious. 47 In the meantime, we must keep in mind that method of conquering which the Scripture describes. Satan has, in all ages, led the sons of men “captive at his will”, and, to this day, retains his lamentable triumph over them, and for that reason is called the prince of the world, (John 12:31.) But because one stronger than he has descended from heaven, who will subdue him, hence it comes to pass that, in the same manner, the whole Church of God, under its Head, will gloriously exult over him. To this the declaration of Paul refers,
“The Lord shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly,”
By which words he signifies that the power of bruising Satan is imparted to faithful men, and thus the blessing is the common property of the whole Church; but he, at the same time, admonishes us, that it only has its commencement in this world; because God crowns none but well — tried wrestlers.
Please watch the video at the above to the end. Rick Warren plainly states he is not anti-gay and does not stand opposed to gay marriage. He stated he never has been opposed to gay marriage. This is a lie as you can verify at this website: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/rick-warren-on-same-sex-marriage-when-the-church-accommodates-culture-it-weakens-it/
The Bible states all liars are kept out of heaven—Revelation 21:8 and 22:15.
I say this is very distressing indeed since he claims to be saved. I also say, what happened to Romans chapter 1 and a multitude of other Bible passages? Yes, homosexuals are to be reached with the Gospel, but not with any compromise. When it comes to witnessing to the unsaved, we are even to hate the garments polluted by the flesh; Jude 23.
We live in very desperately sick times. Many Christians are spouting cesspools. Sex outside of marriage is not of God. God states those who engage in premarital sex and adultery He will judge. Only the marriage bed is undefiled; Hebrews 13:4. Job states “I have made a covenant with my eyes, how then can I gaze at a virgin”…If I were to become enticed and throw a kiss, that too would be iniquity, calling for judgment, for I would have denied God above. (Job 31:1 & 27-28) Most Christians do not stand on the chaste words of the Scriptures. Chaste corruption is the name of the game today. Pastors add a little poison here and a little poison there—sounding spiritual most of the time. They add bits of cesspool waste to promote Satan’s agendas to get his children to like them so they can fill their apostate churches.
1 Corinthians 5:9 commands believers not to associate with so-called Christians who are sexually immoral. We must not fellowship with the covetous, the swindlers, the idolaters (Catholics, etc.) and the drunkards. We are not even to eat with them. The Bible also commands disassociation with false teachers and that includes Rick Warren. Warren makes up his own religion, making himself a god. Whenever we choose to act according to what we think, have experienced, etc; we become a god unto ourselves. If we believe what others teach and write, which is not a 100% Biblical, we make them our god.
Rick Warren makes up his own religion that everyone might follow his world PEACE Plan.
Rick Warren will collaborate with any religion, any person, to promote his secular humanistic agendas. Liberal-minded Warren will recruit Muslims who hate Christians and Jews. You will notice that Warren lists Muslims before Christians in this video concerning his ecumenical inclusion. This man embraces all satanic beliefs. This man is double-tongued when it comes to his religious verbiage. He unites with homosexuals to promote his PEACE initiatives, including ending AIDS through social reform, not abstinence. Warren interview: “I don’t think that homosexuality is the worst sin,” and, “By the way, my wife and I had dinner at a gay couple’s.” “I am no homophobic guy.”
Jesus said, “If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” (John 15:19)
Rick Warren visited West Hollywood’s Out of the Closet thrift store: (photo would not post; see link above and view video) Rick Warren is on the right, his arm is around Erol Sarabi, who is openly gay. Warren told Sarabi ‘Not to believe everything he reads, that he does a lot for AIDS research and was happy that Out of the Closet does free AIDS testing.’ Warren also said he met with Melissa Etheridge (Lesbian and gay activist and singer) recently and the two planned to have dinner together. Warren gave a signed copy of his book to Sarabi. The inscription from the Bible, Proverbs 19:21: ‘Many are the plans in a man’s heart, but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails.'”
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